Fall and Winter Plans, and a Request

Christmas comes early in Yellowstone. No, I’m not referring to the weather. It isn’t getting that cold at night yet fortunately, I’m referring to the annual August 25th Christmas celebration that most of the lodges and stores participate in in the park.

Christmas tree and Santa in the Old Faithful Inn Lobby. There was punch and cookies too!

Christmas tree and Santa in the Old Faithful Inn Lobby. There was punch and cookies too!

There is a story behind it, it’s not entirely a marketing gimmick. The legend goes that back in the early days of Yellowstone, a freak snowstorm on August 25th stranded a bunch of visitors inside the park. A tree was cut down and hauled inside and decorated as if for Christmas to keep people occupied until the roads cleared.

People could decorate ornaments for the tree - dead lightbulbs collected throughout the year, pretty ingenious really

People could decorate ornaments for the tree – dead lightbulbs collected throughout the year, pretty ingenious really

How much truth there is to the story is debatable. It can snow in Yellowstone any day of the year so it’s possible the storm happened but the details are lost to history. It is true Christmas has been celebrated on August 25th here for a long time.

My decorated workstation

My decorated workstation

For those who are wondering what my current travel plans are, I’ll probably be spending proper Christmas somewhere on the road between Texas and Arizona where I’m not likely to get to celebrate. I did get a travel trailer Christmas ornament in my work mailbox from Santa though, so it’ll even out by the end of the year.

My employment with the Yellowstone Association ends October 1st or 2nd, my job at the Amazon fulfillment center in Haslet, Texas starts the week of October 19th. Between those two I need to get Cas in to the Casita Factory near Waco to fix something they messed up when they were replacing my water heater this spring. If there’s time, I might also stop by Little House Customs to get a couple other things done on Cas, if not, I’ll get them done after Amazon lets out on December 23rd, which means Christmas will be spent in Texas – neither LHC nor the factory are far from Haslet.

Barring any changes (remember: jello plans), I’d like to spend the rest of the winter…


…boondocking in the southwest this year! Longtime readers will know that since the very beginning I’ve wanted to visit Quartzsite and try boondocking but it just hasn’t been a practical option before now. Cas came with no propane heat source, and saving up the money for that and solar equipment or a generator was a slow process. The plan is to start with as modest a setup as I think I can get by on, and then upgrade later if I enjoy boondocking (I think I will, but you never know), and once I know better what my power and heat needs will be.

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Now for the request. As some of you know, I’m a featured blogger with the new Xscapers lifestyle club run by Escapees. Recently they put out a survey to get a better idea of RVer demographics, and I’d be pleased as punch if you’d be willing to take a minute or two out of your day to take the survey. I’ve already done it myself and can say that it’s pretty painless.

It’s completely anonymous – no personally identifiable information is collected or stored – and this survey is for all RVers, whether you’re a member of Escapees/Xscapers or not. Full-time or part-time, working or retired, single, married, or other, Escapees would love to hear from all of you. Here is the official announcement:

RVer Census: Let Your Voice Be Heard

Please take a couple of minutes to fill out this important survey.


Escapees RV Club earned a reputation for being a leader in advocacy for RVers’ rights. Over the past 37 years, Escapees has fought to uphold full-time RVers’ right to vote; defeated unfair RV-specific taxes; protected overnight parking rights; and stood up to city, county, state, and federal regulations that threatened our personal freedoms.

When working together, the RVing community has the ability to shape regulations affecting issues such as healthcare, employment, insurance, voting, and more. Participating in this survey is crucial to Escapees and Xscapers advocacy of your rights and to the protection of the RVing community as a whole.

Together we can let manufacturers, companies, employers and government agencies know that we are a powerful demographic.

Please share this survey with other RVers. Thank you, in advance, for making a difference!

Click here to take the RVer Census now.

As some of you have already heard, health insurance plans for working-age full-timers are up in the air for 2016 now that several key insurance companies are reportedly pulling their PPO plans off the Healthcare Marketplace next year.

Right now I have a health insurance plan that will only cover my care if I drove back up to South Dakota, if I need treatment while I’m traveling I’m SOL. I was hoping to “move” to Texas this year to enroll in a plan that would cover me across the country, but now it’s looking like those plans may not exist anymore. That’s one reason why I believe this census to be so important: the more we individual RVers make our needs known, the better leverage we’ll have as a community to make changes.

Please, consider adding your voice.

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  1. J. Dawg on September 9, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    I just had a thought and figured I’d leave it here. Maybe you’ve already done this, have a plan to do it, or have it already sprinkled throughout your posts. But, it would be interesting and of value to hear about the things in Yellowstone that you saw or heard that the typical tourist misses. I know the wolf thing you did and some of the hikes were examples. You’ve been there for numerous weeks and must have experienced things most of us haven’t or won’t. Sights, sounds, light, or just simple things. Just thought I’d leave the comment and and idea before you left. Have enjoyed the posts from your stay.
    J. Dawg

    • Becky on September 9, 2015 at 4:34 pm

      Hiking is the majority of it J. Dawg, most visitors never get off the boardwalks. 😉

      But yes, this has been brought up before and is a good idea!

  2. Terri on September 8, 2015 at 7:46 am

    Thanks for reminding me of something else I need to do – figure out insurance plans, since I’m not eligible for one at work until Nov. 1st! That is funny – Christmas in August. That must be a surreal event to be part of.

    Oh, I”m so excited for you to start boondocking. I drove through Quartzsite with my brother once, not knowing what it was, and it was HUGE! (Feb. so lots of snowbirds.) It is literally its own town that pops up out of nowhere but you already knew that.

    I’m so glad you are getting your due and are a featured blogger. Your writing style is just wonderful, and you are mature beyond your actual years, please believe me on that. I so hope we can meet in person one day and I can thank you in person for all the inspiration you have given me to go outside my comfort zone and make a new life for myself. Can’t thank you enough.
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    • Becky on September 8, 2015 at 9:43 pm

      Luckily moving is a qualifying “life event” to sign up for plans on the Exchange any time of year, so maybe you’d want to check into that. I’m pretty sure they have temporary coverage programs designed to fill the gap until your work insurance kicks in.

      I’m excited too! This is something I’ve been dreaming about since I first thought of RVing and it’s going to be so neat to get to share it with you all.

      If I find myself driving through your part of Utah I’ll get in contact with you ahead of time, it would be great to meet up!

  3. Russell on September 3, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    June and I are both working for Amazon in Haslet. TX too, We are at McClains KOA, it about the same drive we had last year at Fernley, NV. Our first day was today (3 Sep) and are currently assigned to receiving. Do you know where you will be working yet? Amazon said they will extend Campers after peek as long as you are meeting quota. This warehouse is huge. Looking forward to meeting again.
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    • Becky on September 4, 2015 at 8:49 pm

      Heya Russell!

      I’m at A+ RV Park, the farthest one out, it’s a long story. Hoping I’ll get to move closer once the season progresses as other people leave early.

      Looking forward to seeing you and June again too, wonder which department I’ll end up in…

  4. Kelvin on September 2, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    Obamacare, what a mess. Hope you find workable heath insurance. So you don’t even get emergency care from your current plan or is that 100% out of pocket.

    You won’t need much more than the 100w Renogy panel. Maybe you can get it on discount since you will be working for Amazon soon. You only have a group 24 battery, 85 amp hours. You could have Little House Customs install a 2nd battery under your dinette but you’d have to switch to two AGM batteries, because they have to be matched, and the one under the dinette isn’t vented, which are more expensive than flooded cell batteries.

    I used a 60 watt portable panel when I had my Casita and it kept my battery topped up. Park the Casita in the shade and put the panel in the sun.

    • Becky on September 2, 2015 at 5:37 pm

      Well, some people (like Julie who traveled with me earlier in the year) have benefited greatly from the ACA so i won’t say it’s a complete loss, and it would help me if the insurance companies with nationwide PPO plans weren’t pulling out. I do get emergency care out of state with my plan, but of course I’ve never needed to use that and hopefully won’t for a long, long time.

      The first two years I worked for Amazon, CamperForce employees got a 10% discount on their first $1,000 spent, but that’s gone by the wayside now. Even so, that portable kit isn’t too expensive so as long as I can hook it up to my battery inside the Casita (the compartment is quite small and I’m not sure how stiff/flexible the cables will be). I’ll wait on adding/changing batteries until I’ve played with it for a while, thanks for sharing your setup Kelvin.

      • Kelvin on September 3, 2015 at 2:10 pm

        What I did on my 60w panel was screw onto the battery terminal wing nuts a short extension with a Anderson connector on the other end and an Anderson connector on the wire to the solar panel. Open the battery door, pull out the extension and plug in the solar panel. That way you don’t have to try to reach into the battery compartment with the alligator clips every time you want to hook up to solar.

        Our Casita didn’t have the propane heater. I had the portable Mr Heater Buddy. I think you could get away with the Little Buddy heater. Its the one that fits on top of the 1lb propane tank. I found the only place to put our Buddy heater was by the front door. The floor around the heater would get hot and it was in the way. A lttile bit too big. The Little Buddy you could put it on the stove top or dinette table with fear it scorching the surface. Its good for 100 square feet.

        • Becky on September 4, 2015 at 8:56 pm

          Nice Kelvin, that workaround with the battery terminal would make the whole thing much more user friendly which I approve of.

          I actually meant the Little Buddy when I was posting this, but put the wrong thing down. When boondocking, I’ll try to stick to warmer areas where I need the heat as little as possible for now. Thanks again.

  5. Traveling Troy on September 1, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    Becky, you are consistent. Every time I come check out your blog, I see that you have added a new post just about every 3 days. That’s fantastic and I want you to know we notice your hard work. Believe me, I know it’s hard to keep up that schedule. I think it’s been over a month since I’ve posted. Yeah, I’m a slacker. 🙂

    In July, my Dad (71) and my step Mom (71) were talking about getting back into traveling. They lived on their sailboat in the Bahamas and down south for 17 or so years, but her health sidelined them for the past few years. Thankfully, she has been recovering well and they want to now travel the states in an RV.

    I mentioned your blog and RV Sue’s blog and how you gals travel in your Casita travel trailers. Well, a couple weeks later, they emailed me that they are now the proud owners of a Casita. I haven’t seen it yet, but I will make a trip to see them in September and check out their new mobile vacation home.

    Love your blog,


    • Becky on September 1, 2015 at 9:25 pm

      Heya Troy nice to hear from you again.

      Most of the time, I do manage to update twice a week which has been my goal since IO started. It can be time consuming but is rewarding in the long run. 🙂

      Glad to hear your dad and step-mom are doing well health-wise and getting out on the road. I wish them the best in their new Casita!

      • Traveling Troy on September 2, 2015 at 9:16 am

        After buying their Casita, they started on a previously planned road trip, without the Casita. They were heading to Colorado for the month of August and decided to pass though Yellowstone on their way in late July. They spent 3 days in the area and did the “Yellowstone in a day” tour. I told them, they should look you up but I guess they’re a bit internet shy.

        Maybe if you work at Enchanted Rock again, they will swing by with their Casita and say “hi” as they live in the Austin area.

        Good luck in the new Texas Amazon facility this winter! The Dallas/Ft Worth area does get a bit cold and even gets some snow, but nothing like what you’ve experienced at the other Amazon locations.
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        • Becky on September 2, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          I’m sure hoping TX will be warmer than my two seasons in Kansas during that time, a person can get a little stir crazy being cooped up inside a small space for that long. 😉

          Sorry I missed them, but maybe in the future our paths will cross.

  6. GB in norcal on August 31, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    I’ve been buying my own health insurance for many years, although I haven’t been travelling that much, & most of the time, health insurance usually only covers you out of state, when you go to an Emergency Room only & you may have a deductible. If you want to just see a doctor, you won’t be covered, so I would go to an urgent care center. It might be $100 (which is what I paid once out of state) but that’s not too bad if you’re sick or need a prescription. I doubt if there will be any change in this, unless there is coverage for RV ers that travel all over the country but it might be really expensive.

    • Becky on September 1, 2015 at 9:23 pm

      GB, a definition of PPO (preferred provider organization):

      “a managed care organization of medical doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers who have agreed with an insurer or a third-party administrator to provide health care at reduced rates to the insurer’s or administrator’s clients.”

      So companies with nationwide PPO plans (like Blue Cross Blue Shield) let you get care out of your home state for a reduced cost, as long as you stick with one of their partnered providers. They were great plans to have as a full-timer not only for prescriptions or injury out of state, but also to get check-ups and regular preventative care while traveling – to keep from getting sick in the first place.

      They do exist (for now), but might not next year. That’s why I’m encouraging people to fill out that survey, it all starts with speaking up.

  7. Ken Wessels on August 30, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    I’ve been following your blog since we met last year at Amazon. You’ve had some really great pictures that I’ve enjoyed.
    I had an experience with late August snow in Yellowstone in 1974. The report said that if we didn’t want to be snowed in, we should leave within the next day. We were tent camping and the next morning when we woke up our sleeping bags were frozen to the tent. We made a quick pot of coffee, packed things up and headed out.
    Maybe we’ll see each other again at Haslet this year. I start Thursday September 3rd. I’ll be working Friday through Monday on the night shift. This may change, as I was initially placed in receive. I requested that it be changed to stow. Joni said that she would see what could be done. We’ll see.

    • Becky on August 31, 2015 at 9:34 pm

      I’m really hoping I don’t get snow when I’m trying to leave at the beginning of October Ken!

      Good luck getting the position you want! Hopefully we’ll get the chance to say hi to each other at least. 🙂

  8. David Michael on August 30, 2015 at 10:36 am

    Glad to learn you are getting solar, etc. my wife and I just completed over seven years of full-timing. Fortunately, in our class C we had solar, propane, and generator. Boon docking is such a great way to travel. Especially love rt 395 by Lone Pine, Ca during the spring and the Northwest in summer. As for Quartzite…love it! Don’t worry about the crowds, always a place to camp. You might be interested in the Bob Wells group or others.
    Happy Traveling!
    David and Nola

    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:34 am

      Congrats on 7 years David.

      Yes, when Bob Wells came to visit earlier this year he extended an invitation for me to stay with their group down there. I won’t lack for people to hang with. 🙂

  9. Dwayne on August 30, 2015 at 2:24 am

    Becky: Please handle this for your “guests”. lol

    The picture on Imgur shows a comment card for the Yellowstone National Park Lodges thanking the staff for a “wonderful” visit but also expressing the guests’ disappointment that they “never saw any bears.” Then they offer a suggestion for how the staff might be able to work on that for their next visit.

    “Please train your bears to be where guests can see them,” the note says. “This was an expensive trip to not get to see bears.”

    That sounds like something that might have come from the cute, creative imagination of a child who’s disappointed they didn’t get to shake hands with Boo-Boo. However, as you can see in the photo of the note, it clearly wasn’t written by a child, or at least not by someone who’s a child on the physical level.

    Julena Campbell, a park ranger and spokeswoman for Yellowstone, confirmed to Crave that the park won’t be able to accommodate the request. She said it’s not possible to train the 674 to 839 bears in Yellowstone to buy a Day Planner or have Siri remind them to appear before guests.

    “I’ll hold back my laughter and say that it’s not possible to train bears in Yellowstone National Park,” Campbell said. “We do not train bears nor do we intend to try. That’s part of what most people enjoy coming to the park for, that they are wild animals. Part of the thrill is that ‘aha’ or gasp when you happen to see a wild animal being a wild animal.”

    Related links
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    Campbell said she’s only seen the note on the Web and that it hasn’t been processed through any of the proper channels or officials at the park. She also said the note hasn’t gone through Xanterra Parks and Resorts, the company that manages the park’s lodges and hotels. However, she said she’s gotten plenty of calls about the note since it went viral.

    If anyone is planning on paying a visit to Yellowstone and hopes to see a bear or any other animal in the wild, park rangers can offer advice as to the best and safest spots for potential viewing. Campbell said bears also tend to be more active early in the morning and later in the evening.

    She noted, too, that if visitors encounter a bear, they’re required by law to stay at least 100 yards away, even if there comes a day when Yellowstone teaches bears how to sign autographs or pose for photos with guests.

    “I think most people are getting a good chuckle out of it, and most people realize that it’s unrealistic to have bears on demand in a national park,” Campbell said. “But if the worst thing that happens is that it gives us a few phone calls and lets us talk about animals and how to safely view them, then it’s all in a day’s work, I suppose.”

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    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:33 am

      Oh, we get variations of this all the time Dwayne, no lie. “Where are the animal viewing areas?” and similar questions. We have to explain, usually several times a day, that the animals are wild and they dislike big crowds of people as much as the people do.

  10. RGupnorth on August 29, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    Not much of a break between Yellowstone & Amazon.

    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:29 am

      Nope. The bigger break I take the less money I make at Amazon, the break will come after Amazon is done RG. 🙂

  11. Barb L on August 29, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    We were newbie boondockers At Quartzsite 2 years ago and contacted one of the Escapee chapters that listed a rally there during RV week. They were more than happy to have us join them. We didn’t know a soul there, but soon had a dozen new friends , some even before we arrived, as they patiently answered our newbie questions. I’m sure the Xscapers will be gathering and I know several owner groups also rally there – maybe Casita owners will gather as well.

    Another good option for new Boondockers is the BLM campground on Rt 95 just north of Yuma behind the VFW. Very crowded over New Years with a solo group rally, but otherwise OK. We’ve been to Quartzsite during RV week the past two years and it has never been too crowded to find a spot.

    Love your blog. Thanks for your good work.

    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:28 am

      Thanks for the tips Barb. Yes there is a Casita rally although that’s in February. As you said, I’m sure I’ll find a group to hang with. 🙂

      Thanks for reading, glad you’re enjoying IO.

  12. Jim@HiTek on August 29, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Quartzsite is (or at least use to be) a mad house right around Jan. 1st when the mineral show starts. It’ll be difficult to even find a decent boondocking site (meaning fairly close to town) unless you arrive weeks early. Or shortly after the snowbirds begin to flock back north just before the show begins to close and the vendors start breaking camp.

    It was fun getting an idea of the cost of optional RV items. I didn’t find anything to buy while I was there and the crowds get to me pretty quickly, but I did have fun. And getting ideas on things available for the RV’er is helpful for the full timer.

    Once in Quartzsite during the show was enough for me. I have enjoyed boondocking there before and after the show since though…during the shoulder seasons. A couple times I went the vendors were about to, or still set up, but the town fairly empty. Much more comfortable.

    I read once that the population of Quartzsite gets up to 1 million during the gem show. Don’t know how true that is, but, Yikes!

    I hope you enjoy your visit there and find plenty of goodies for the Casita!
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    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:26 am

      I know it becomes the third largest city in the state during that time of year Jim, not sure of actual population numbers.

      Normally I’m not much into crowds either, but I want to experience it at least once. If it’s bad, I’ll just go somewhere quieter until it calms down. 🙂

  13. Diane on August 29, 2015 at 10:41 am

    Get the furnace and solar. You will enjoy it and you will love boondocking.
    I have the factory installed furnace in my 2002 SD and it is perfect for winter camping. Have even used it at 26 F. Consider coming to the Quartsite Casita rally in February. You have a lot of readers in our group who would welcome you and love to meet you.

    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:20 am

      I do remember hearing about that rally Diane and I would enjoy attending. Guess I should hop on the forums and get more details!

  14. Jim Schmechel on August 29, 2015 at 9:51 am

    Snow!!! Oh my. You might just see me wave at you from my car window 😉 Seriously though, I hope it isn’t that cold when I come to visit you. My “jello” plans are to leave Wisconsin on September 13th, so I should easily make it to Yellowstone before your employment ends. I am super excited to meet a celebrity like yourself 🙂

    I hope you enjoy boondocking in Quartzsite. Maybe you will find some cool minerals!
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    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:18 am

      Just keep your cold weather gear within easy access Jim, no saying what the weather will be doing by then. 🙂

      Looking forward to meeting you!

  15. Chris on August 29, 2015 at 9:14 am

    When I was a child my parents took our family to Yellowstonr in June. When we got there, snow was 6′ high along the roadsides and drifted all the way up to the beginning of the roof along the sides of Old Faithful Lodge. We didn’t come dressed for that kind of weather so my parents bought us three kids some red hooded sweatshirts. To this day, if I see a red hooded sweatshirt on sale, I’ll nab it and wear it on cool fall days. But yes, it can snow up there anytime.

    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:16 am

      Haha, yes Chris I think the gift shops make quite a bit of money on hoodies and sweatshirts all summer long for the visitors who don’t come prepared – especially the campers. The warmest low we’ve had at night this summer was low 50’s, not what a lot of people expect in summer.

  16. Gary on August 29, 2015 at 8:08 am

    Nice picture of the Old Faithful Lodge. It reminds me so much of a lodge my sister owned in Montana for ten years that was built in 1904 using the same style.

    Insurance is such a hassle. Hopefully they won’t pull my medicare plan F, which is PPO through Healthnet. I haven’t researched for the upcoming year yet, but it’s getting close for me.

    I bought a small Zamp portable 120 watt solar package for my coach. It’s a suitcase model that folds up. A little more expensive than you can buy, but supported here in the USA. Renegy would be my second choice. I used it when staying in California this year for over a month and it worked great. Of course only the basics, no AC or Microwave. Just the savings that month over what I would have had to pay in site fees, paid for the solar package. I installed it myself, very easy, I am not the handyman type.

    Safe Travels
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    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:10 am

      Yes that Inn was completed in 1905, it’s very beautiful inside. 🙂

      And yes, a Renogy portable solar kit is what I have my eye on right now, the 100 watt model which I think is only $280 or so. Then if I decide I like boondocking I’ll get something bigger and more permanent.

  17. Sherry on August 28, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    “Move” to Florida. I haven’t heard of anyone having trouble with health plans who is domiciled there. Will be interested to see your Cas “improvements” for boondocking. I love my solar and because of it I have been able to spend most of the summer in Shenandoah National Park with no hook ups,

    • Becky on August 30, 2015 at 11:08 am

      There’s rumors BCBS and other PPO providers are pulling out there too Sherry, there won’t be any official announcements until October though. I’ll probably do what I did last year: wait until December and see what the playing field looks like then before deciding.

      It’s going to be as simple as I can manage right now. Probably a Mr. Buddy propane heater and one of those $280 portable Renogy solar kits. But we’ll see. 🙂

      Shenandoah is definitely on my list to visit someday! I actually wanted to work there for a summer but it’s really hard to get in, I guess they have enough local help that they don’t need to advertise to bring people in.

      • Jim@HiTek on August 30, 2015 at 11:55 am

        Your Casita might be too small to make the Mr. Buddy usable. I know mine runs me out of my 37′ Class A. Even at the lowest heating setting. Have to have a window open, so there’s a strong draft usually, coupled with the roof vent fan running. It was impossible to use it over night. RV would just get far too hot and I’d be getting up to shut it off, and later getting up to light it again. And that was at 20°F temps, and with dual paned windows.

        But a Little Buddy (3800 BTU) might work for you. Just those little bottles get to be very expensive and only last 5 hours.

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        • Becky on August 31, 2015 at 9:36 pm

          Oh, yes Jim I meant the Little Buddy, I wasn’t specific enough sorry. 🙂

          I’m hoping that the weather in that part of Arizona will be warm enough that I won’t need to run it frequently. I really only need the temp inside to stay above freezing so that my plumbing doesn’t freeze, we’ll see how it goes.

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